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Ancient Philosophy · Part 1 · How we know · B1–B2

How We Know Ancient Philosophy: Fragments, Reports and Lost Libraries

Part 1 of Ancient Philosophy: most of the books of the Greek philosophers are lost. We know many of them only from a few sentences quoted by other writers, sometimes centuries later, sometimes by their enemies. Before we meet the philosophers, Sophia shows how we know what they thought. According to, says that, is said to and is said to have, with Philo, Sophia, Marcos and Demetria.

Sophia
SOPHIA

Tonight we begin a new journey: the philosophers. And we begin, as historians should, with a question: how do we know what they thought?

Philo
PHILO

We read their books. The Library has hundreds of them.

Sophia
SOPHIA

It does, Philo, today. Things to come: almost all of them will be lost. For many philosophers, people in the future will have only a handful of sentences.

Marcos
MARCOS

Then how will they know anything?

Sophia
SOPHIA

Like detectives. Let me show you.

Read: three kinds of evidence

Before you read

The Greek world, about 600 BCE – 600 CE

For some ancient philosophers, we have complete works: all of Plato’s dialogues survive, and a large part of Aristotle’s teaching. For most of the others, we have only fragments: their own words, quoted by later writers who still had their books. Heraclitus wrote one book; about a hundred and thirty short sentences of it survive, all in other people’s writings.

For many philosophers we do not even have fragments, only reports: other people’s summaries of what they thought, and stories about their lives. Aristotle began his books with surveys of earlier thinkers; his pupil Theophrastus collected their opinions; much later, Diogenes Laertius wrote ten books of lives of the philosophers, full of anecdotes. Some reports are careful; some are gossip; all were written by people with their own views.

A few ancient philosophical books have been found in the ground: a burnt scroll at Derveni in northern Greece, and a whole library of scrolls carbonised by the eruption of Vesuvius at Herculaneum. Modern scholars collect all the fragments and reports in numbered lists, so that everyone can check the evidence for themselves.

We read most ancient philosophers through other people’s eyes.

Philo
PHILO

Read the story. Why did a Christian bishop quote Heraclitus? Why did Simplicius copy Parmenides? What was found at Herculaneum?

Sophia
SOPHIA

Then answer Section A.

The story

Retold for this lesson; the events after Philo’s time are told by Sophia as things to come.

According to Diogenes Laertius, the philosopher Thales once fell into a well while he was looking at the stars, and a servant girl laughed at him. Plato tells the same story. Is it true? Perhaps; or perhaps it is just the kind of story people like to tell about philosophers. Diogenes is said to have collected everything he could find, true or false, and he often gives two or three different versions of the same event.

Things to come: some of the best fragments of Heraclitus will survive because a Christian bishop, Hippolytus, quoted them in a book attacking heretics. He wanted to prove that his opponents had stolen their ideas from a pagan philosopher. In the same way, much of what we know about Epicurus will come from writers who disliked him. Sometimes we know a philosopher’s words only because his enemies wanted to show how wrong he was.

Things to come: in the sixth century, a scholar called Simplicius, writing commentaries on Aristotle, will copy out long passages of Parmenides’s poem. He says he is doing it because the book has become rare. He was right: his copy is the only reason we can still read much of it today.

And some books will come back from the dead. At Derveni, a scroll half-burnt on a funeral pyre will be found in 1962: a commentary on a religious poem, the oldest surviving book in Europe. At Herculaneum, hundreds of scrolls turned to charcoal by Vesuvius will be found in a villa. For centuries nobody can open them without destroying them; then, with X-rays and computers, scholars will begin to read them without unrolling them at all.

According to, says that

Marcos
MARCOS

According to Diogenes Laertius, Thales fell into a well. Aristotle says that Thales thought everything came from water. Simplicius tells us that the book was rare.

Sophia
SOPHIA

according to + source (never according to me: say in my opinion). When we report what an author writes, we often use the present simple: Aristotle says…, Plato tells us…, because the book still speaks.

Is said to, is said to have

Demetria
DEMETRIA

Thales is said to be the first philosopher. Diogenes is said to have collected everything. Pythagoras is said to have written nothing.

Sophia
SOPHIA

is said / believed / thought to + infinitive for a present claim; is said to have + past participle for a claim about the past. It shows that we are reporting, not promising it is true.

Words of evidence

Philo
PHILO

A fragment is a philosopher’s own words, quoted by someone else. A report is a summary of his ideas. A source may be reliable or biased. A papyrus may be deciphered.

Sophia
SOPHIA

Words: fragment, quotation, quote, report, summary, source, reliable, biased, anecdote, papyrus, scroll, survive, lost.

Sophia’s evidence check

ClaimLabelWhy
All of Plato’s dialogues survive.ConsensusThey were copied continuously; a few works under his name may not be his.
We have Heraclitus’s book.Consensus: noOnly about 130 short fragments, quoted by others.
Fragments are always the philosopher’s exact words.DebatedWriters quoted from memory or adapted the words to their own argument.
Diogenes Laertius’s stories are reliable.DebatedSome come from good sources; many are gossip or jokes.
The Derveni papyrus is the oldest surviving book in Europe.ConsensusIt dates from the 4th century BCE.
The Herculaneum scrolls can now be read.ConsensusX-ray scans and computers are recovering their text, a little at a time.

Sophia’s comparison: teachings that were not written down

Sophia
SOPHIA

In India, the Buddha taught at about the same time as Socrates, or a little earlier (his dates are debated), and he wrote nothing either. His monks memorised his teachings and recited them together for centuries. Things to come: about the time of your own birth, Philo, monks in Sri Lanka will write the teachings down for the first time, on palm leaves, because they fear they may be forgotten.

Demetria
DEMETRIA

So Indian philosophy survived by memory, and Greek philosophy by quotation.

Sophia
SOPHIA

Both are ways of carrying ideas across centuries, and both change a little as they travel. That is why we always ask: who says so, when, and why?

Philo
PHILO

Then when I write my own books, I should write clearly, and hope that my enemies quote me accurately.

Sophia’s summary

Words and formsUseExample
according to + sourcereporting a sourceAccording to Diogenes, Thales fell into a well.
X says / tells us that…reporting a book (present simple)Aristotle says that Thales thought…
is said to + infinitivea reported present claimThales is said to be the first philosopher.
is said to have + past participlea reported past claimPythagoras is said to have written nothing.
fragment, report, sourceevidenceOnly fragments survive.
reliable, biased, survive, lostjudging evidenceThe source may be biased.

Practice

Read the story for Section A, then do the rest. Press “Check my answers” at the end. You can try again as many times as you like.

A · The story

Read the story and choose the best answer.

1. What is a fragment?

2. How much of Heraclitus’s book survives?

3. Who wrote ten books of lives of the philosophers?

4. Why did Hippolytus quote Heraclitus?

5. Why did Simplicius copy Parmenides’s poem?

6. How did the Buddha’s teachings survive?

B · Grammar and vocabulary

Write the missing word or words.

7. to Diogenes, Thales fell into a well.

8. Aristotle that Thales thought everything came from water. (say, present)

9. Thales is said be the first philosopher.

10. Pythagoras is said to written nothing.

11. Only fragments of his book. (still exist)

12. The source may be . (not fair, influenced by opinions)

C · Right or wrong?

Is the sentence correct English?

13. “According to me, Diogenes is unreliable.”

14. “Pythagoras is said to have written nothing.”

15. “Thales is said to has fallen into a well.”

16. “Aristotle says that Thales thought everything came from water.”

Talk and write

Discussion and writing

Fragment detectives. Your teacher reads a short text; each student writes down one sentence from memory. Compare your “fragments”. How much has changed?

Discuss. 1. Can we trust what enemies say about a thinker? 2. Is a funny anecdote evidence? 3. Which of today’s books do you think will survive two thousand years?

Write (100–130 words). How we know. Explain the difference between complete works, fragments and reports, using according to, says that and is said to (have).